You didn’t mention the element of violence and kink (e.g. strangulation) that is learned from porn’s need to escalate and exoticize the stimulus to keep recharging the response
Very true. It could be said that the excessive and odd sexualization from porn (and of all media in general) has contributed to the self-image crisis, eating disorders, and body dysmorphia. It’s far better to recognize that our bodies are a gift and have a purpose, even if we feel they are not why they could be. This is a call to fellowship, gentleness, and virtue, really. We should all want to be virtuous people, whether we’re married or not.
First, I’m not aware of anyone on the conservative side who says porn is OK. FOR ANYONE.
Porn is an absolute disaster for relationships. Every boomer has stories about finding his uncle’s porn mags and looking at them with their friends. It’s a fiendish habit that robs children of innocence. Fast forward, several decades and look where we are now.
Likewise, free and easy sex has been a disaster for men and women. Men because they’re human nature of wanting gratification with as many women as possible but robbing them of what men really were made for- to love a family sacrificial while enjoying intimacy that also provides the woman with security. Women were not made to be gang bang queens and to run through lovers like seasons.
Women need to understand all boys have now been robbed of their right to healthy development by internet pornographers.
The gaslighting of that woman on Twitter saying you want wives to turn off sex scenes during movies - as if that’s the same experience as the emotional and psychological fallout of teen Pornhub binges. What a liar.
It’s the biggest child abuse scandal in human history. It’s based on the sexual abuse of the boys completely floored by it.
Everyone is either in recovery or they’re a Male Feminist who doesn’t even see it as a problem.
It’s not though, it’s a range of findings based on studies published in the medical literature confirming a significant percentage of all women consume pornography.
It's a mistake to assume that people who go to church have christian values (and therefore might consume less porn). If Donal Trump's rise to power shows us anything, it's that "Christians" will tolerate, even celebrate, all manner of sinful behavior. So, I think that angle of this story is way off.
With that said, I agree that porn is a problem, but the problem needs to be understood within the context of all aspects of human social interaction being offloaded to the screen.
Why do some conservatives defend porn? Because, like men, conservatives are more variegated than this slanted and dishonest indictment accounts for.
You can find stats to support anything. How hard is it to juke or cherry-pick them, or to exploit logical fallacies to seem like there’s a causal connection, or to use the most depraved examples to represent the whole. Most people watching porn are not consuming rape or strangulation fantasies. That’s what these puritanical screeds DON’T tell you. It’s inconvenient.
This is the eighties satanic panic all over again, and there always seems to be a common element to these campaigns: one self-righteous party takes it upon themselves to project their own prudish disgust into a thatched-together narrative about social liability. It’s not new.
Los Angeles and other cities hold large adult film conferences every year that attract tens of thousands. Are they all contributing to moral and marital depravity? If that’s your case, sharpen your garden tools, because you’ve got a long row to hoe.
This isn’t some false-dichotomy-advocacy for porn; I don’t think people should watch it either where real affection and committed relationships are an option. But if you’re suggesting that, in the absence of that, people just “do without”, you need to take your nose out of the academy and into the streets, because it’s only a single step between indicting those who watch porn and a class war. Fortunately, evangelizing indictments like this typically don’t have any impact outside those with an a priori prejudice to agree with them anyway, so it’s not worth getting one’s panties in a bunch about.
The good reason for wanting a relationship not to be involving pornographic ideas is that the person using porn is not focused on the person he is having sex with, but rather on the fantasy he is using as a stimulus. It then leads to dangerous activity such as strangulation, which can lead to stroke and death.
Not wanting your man to watch porn, but also withholding sex, and also not wanting him to cheat (understandably so) is interesting, though. You have to choose one, not all three. I also wonder what your thoughts are on women reading pornographic books.
What are men who are not in a relationship or may never be in a relationship supposed to do to get sexual relief? If porn is not to be allowed a masturbation aid then what is morally acceptable? Renaissance paintings? Those romance novels women love so much? Victoria Secret catalogues?
How exactly are men supposed to live if they are not in a relationship?
The problem you raise suggests that without porn people, both men and women, cannot masturbate.
I don't believe that is true but the suppression of masturbation in early years linked to ideas of punishment can lead to a strong association of punishment with orgasm. This is the foundation of the attraction of pornography. Also sexual abuse in early years may make similar associations.
Freya cuts to the chase here, as she often does. Character matters. How to build it? Bill Bennett's The Book of Virtues, chapter 1, is about self-discipline. The ability to control our own tempers, appetites, passions, and impulses is not a natural one for most of us; it comes with instruction, patience, courage, and most of all, practice. As the author notes, "practice, of course, is the medicine so many people find hard to swallow." What makes the practice of self-discipline easier? A solid moral foundation, ideally built from a young age. Aristotle: "the habits we form from childhood make no small difference, but rather they make all the difference."
You didn’t mention the element of violence and kink (e.g. strangulation) that is learned from porn’s need to escalate and exoticize the stimulus to keep recharging the response
Very true. It could be said that the excessive and odd sexualization from porn (and of all media in general) has contributed to the self-image crisis, eating disorders, and body dysmorphia. It’s far better to recognize that our bodies are a gift and have a purpose, even if we feel they are not why they could be. This is a call to fellowship, gentleness, and virtue, really. We should all want to be virtuous people, whether we’re married or not.
First, I’m not aware of anyone on the conservative side who says porn is OK. FOR ANYONE.
Porn is an absolute disaster for relationships. Every boomer has stories about finding his uncle’s porn mags and looking at them with their friends. It’s a fiendish habit that robs children of innocence. Fast forward, several decades and look where we are now.
Likewise, free and easy sex has been a disaster for men and women. Men because they’re human nature of wanting gratification with as many women as possible but robbing them of what men really were made for- to love a family sacrificial while enjoying intimacy that also provides the woman with security. Women were not made to be gang bang queens and to run through lovers like seasons.
And here we are.
Infamously, Dennis Prager of PragerU defends porn as a reasonable resource. He’s clearly insane. Your description of the situation is spot on.
Had no idea
Women need to understand all boys have now been robbed of their right to healthy development by internet pornographers.
The gaslighting of that woman on Twitter saying you want wives to turn off sex scenes during movies - as if that’s the same experience as the emotional and psychological fallout of teen Pornhub binges. What a liar.
It’s the biggest child abuse scandal in human history. It’s based on the sexual abuse of the boys completely floored by it.
Everyone is either in recovery or they’re a Male Feminist who doesn’t even see it as a problem.
Are women allowed to watch porn? Studies show 30-60% of all women watch porn with up to 76% of those aged 18-30 watching it.
Saying 30 -60% is the same as saying 'we don't know'
It’s not though, it’s a range of findings based on studies published in the medical literature confirming a significant percentage of all women consume pornography.
allowed?
Ie does the writer believe a similar expectation should be made of women as she does of men.
Yes, responding to the article which said that women should not allow their male partners watch porn.
A: they are personally addicted.
sensory addicted.
OK. But only if women give up their form of porn which incidentally they spend millionson - romance literature and movies.
You know the sort. Hunky Chad's, wild cowboys and rich earls.
Also quit agressively dressing like soft porn stars. Put some clothes on. It's exhibitionist inappropriate harassment.
It's a mistake to assume that people who go to church have christian values (and therefore might consume less porn). If Donal Trump's rise to power shows us anything, it's that "Christians" will tolerate, even celebrate, all manner of sinful behavior. So, I think that angle of this story is way off.
With that said, I agree that porn is a problem, but the problem needs to be understood within the context of all aspects of human social interaction being offloaded to the screen.
Why do some conservatives defend porn? Because, like men, conservatives are more variegated than this slanted and dishonest indictment accounts for.
You can find stats to support anything. How hard is it to juke or cherry-pick them, or to exploit logical fallacies to seem like there’s a causal connection, or to use the most depraved examples to represent the whole. Most people watching porn are not consuming rape or strangulation fantasies. That’s what these puritanical screeds DON’T tell you. It’s inconvenient.
This is the eighties satanic panic all over again, and there always seems to be a common element to these campaigns: one self-righteous party takes it upon themselves to project their own prudish disgust into a thatched-together narrative about social liability. It’s not new.
Los Angeles and other cities hold large adult film conferences every year that attract tens of thousands. Are they all contributing to moral and marital depravity? If that’s your case, sharpen your garden tools, because you’ve got a long row to hoe.
This isn’t some false-dichotomy-advocacy for porn; I don’t think people should watch it either where real affection and committed relationships are an option. But if you’re suggesting that, in the absence of that, people just “do without”, you need to take your nose out of the academy and into the streets, because it’s only a single step between indicting those who watch porn and a class war. Fortunately, evangelizing indictments like this typically don’t have any impact outside those with an a priori prejudice to agree with them anyway, so it’s not worth getting one’s panties in a bunch about.
The good reason for wanting a relationship not to be involving pornographic ideas is that the person using porn is not focused on the person he is having sex with, but rather on the fantasy he is using as a stimulus. It then leads to dangerous activity such as strangulation, which can lead to stroke and death.
Not wanting your man to watch porn, but also withholding sex, and also not wanting him to cheat (understandably so) is interesting, though. You have to choose one, not all three. I also wonder what your thoughts are on women reading pornographic books.
What are men who are not in a relationship or may never be in a relationship supposed to do to get sexual relief? If porn is not to be allowed a masturbation aid then what is morally acceptable? Renaissance paintings? Those romance novels women love so much? Victoria Secret catalogues?
How exactly are men supposed to live if they are not in a relationship?
The problem you raise suggests that without porn people, both men and women, cannot masturbate.
I don't believe that is true but the suppression of masturbation in early years linked to ideas of punishment can lead to a strong association of punishment with orgasm. This is the foundation of the attraction of pornography. Also sexual abuse in early years may make similar associations.
What should men use to assist with masturbation? They can only use their imagination?
Freya cuts to the chase here, as she often does. Character matters. How to build it? Bill Bennett's The Book of Virtues, chapter 1, is about self-discipline. The ability to control our own tempers, appetites, passions, and impulses is not a natural one for most of us; it comes with instruction, patience, courage, and most of all, practice. As the author notes, "practice, of course, is the medicine so many people find hard to swallow." What makes the practice of self-discipline easier? A solid moral foundation, ideally built from a young age. Aristotle: "the habits we form from childhood make no small difference, but rather they make all the difference."
Brad Pitt cannot watch porn because the acting sucks...
Women, who have never experienced climax, find porn confusing and unwatchable too.
Men, with prolific imaginations, see porn most of the time: AI porn without a computer.
Traditional video porn is like silent black and white movies: it lands with a splat.